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The future is NOW.

[edit: Because I think I've upset a very dear friend of mine, a clarification of my views on the contents of the link follows this post.]

Date: 2008-08-22 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] willworker.livejournal.com
This is hands off your uterus.

Besides, do you really want someone performing an abortion on you who's being forced to do it? I know I don't want someone playing around with my reproductive organs who's going to feel unhappy and forced to do it.

I feel that even more so than the birth control-abortion thing that was running around earlier, the rule as intended is a good thing (doctors being able to decline to do certain procedures, which I believe is already in place-- there are OB/GYNs who refuse to do abortions). The ambiguity suggested where this could be extended to other procedures beyond abortion is a bit worrisome, though, in much the same way that the birth control policy tries to back-door redefine abortion.

Steve

Date: 2008-08-22 09:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovefromgirl.livejournal.com
See, I'm lucky. I live here in Rochester, where I can always find another doctor. Some people... don't. And can't.

I would like an ethical, objective doctor who will put my health first. I would like not to bring a child into the world who will suffer for having lived in my body for nine months, marinating in Ativan, Klonopin, and Celexa. Best-case? The child will come out addicted. I don't know what happens to an embryo exposed to all three at once; I can only find information on individual teratogens, not cocktails. By all means, educate me. I imagine your resources far outstrip mine.

What I would not like is to lose my mind because my doctor doesn't believe in performing abortions. I would also prefer not to have to do it myself and wind up dead or maimed. That only takes care of me, mind you, and I've never suffered an unexpected, unwanted pregnancy. I can't do for anyone else because I am not licensed, and if anything goes wrong, it's still jail time for me.

And, quite frankly, if they want to keep my birth control pills from me, I will move in with them for the second half of my menstrual cycle rather than inflict my moods on anyone I love.

Date: 2008-08-23 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheshire23.livejournal.com
See, I'm lucky. I live here in Rochester, where I can always find another doctor. Some people... don't. And can't.

Yes. This.

There are also unfortunately people on the truly batshit lunatic fringe who don't believe that even the obvious lifesaving abortions are medically necessary. Cecily's heartbreaking story of how she became the inadvertent poster child of late-term abortion (short version: she conceived twins via IVF, one of them died in utero, and a few weeks short of possible viability for the living twin, she developed pre-eclampsia with imminent multiple organ failure) is frightening enough, especially to me as a currently pregnant woman. The complete and utter GALL of a handful of "pro-life" people insisting that she could have tried harder to save the lives of her babies show the level of misunderstanding of reproductive health matters, even in a clear-cut life-and-death situation where a very wanted pregnancy had to be ended before the babies could live outside their mother.

I can't find my source on this right now (I think it was one of the bloggers on dKos, though I don't think it was Dogemperor this time) but apparently in some South American countries, there has been a problem with refusal to properly treat ectopic pregnancies on the grounds that this is "performing an abortion." There is NO WAY an ectopic pregnancy can be made viable, and failure to treat it is unfortunately very likely to kill the woman as well. THAT is what I am afraid of happening here, in some rural-ish area where the only providers "don't believe in abortion."

Women will die under these rules.

Date: 2008-08-23 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovefromgirl.livejournal.com
I could not believe those people, either. How dare they claim to be pro-life when they would have seen Cecily and sons all into the grave? Should she then have died when it became clear her pregnancy could not continue? It wouldn't have saved the babies. She did everything she could.

I don't think it was Dogemperor this time

I had to smile at that, though. Ze's a veritable wellspring of information.

Date: 2008-08-23 04:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cheshire23.livejournal.com
Not only did she do everything she could, but...in what parallel universe would someone who had gone through the trouble and expense of IVF "change her mind" and have an abortion over halfway through for any BUT the most serious of reasons? What part of "we cannot keep you both alive and pregnant" was not clear to the commentators? GRR.

You know...I'm 30 weeks pregnant, not very comfortable, really pissed about the crazy surrounding this gestational diabetes thing (both in my own head and in the completely conflicting information I've received), but I'm certainly not about to say, "Oh, I don't want to be pregnant anymore!" (Of course, 30 weeks is decently past the viability cutoffs anyway. Still though, it's not like I'm hoping Tori's a preemie or anything.)

Date: 2008-08-23 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovefromgirl.livejournal.com
I don't want Tori to be a preemie, either. *big hugs* I know you're doing your best to keep her in and happy, and that tickles my soul.

For what it's worth, one of Cecily's friends, Julie, ended up delivering her son prematurely for similar reasons. He made it and is just fine. Sometimes the endings are happy ones.

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